Legislature(2005 - 2006)HOUSE FINANCE 519

05/09/2005 08:30 AM House FINANCE


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+= SB 153 INTERNATIONAL AIRPORTS REVENUE BONDS TELECONFERENCED
Moved Out of Committee
+ SB 22 MEDICAID COVERAGE FOR BIRTHING CENTERS TELECONFERENCED
Moved Out of Committee
+ SB 164 SALMON PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT TAX CREDIT TELECONFERENCED
Moved Out of Committee
+ SB 135 ASSAULT & CUSTODIAL INTERFERENCE TELECONFERENCED
Moved Out of Committee
+= HB 68 APPROP: CAPITAL BUDGET TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+= SB 73 STATE VIROLOGY LABORATORY TELECONFERENCED
Scheduled But Not Heard
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 164(FIN)                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act relating  to the salmon product  development tax                                                                   
     credit; providing  for an effective date  by amending an                                                                   
     effective  date  in  sec.  7,  ch.  57,  SLA  2003;  and                                                                   
     providing for an effective date."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
TIM BERRY,  STAFF, SENATOR BERT  STEDMAN, explained  that the                                                                   
bill would give  salmon processors an additional  three years                                                                   
to claim a tax  credit.  He read the sponsor  statement (copy                                                                   
on file.)                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:25:36 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Stoltze asked about the effective date of 2012.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHUCK  HARLAMERT,  REVENUE AUDIT  SUPERVISOR,  TAX  DIVISION,                                                                   
DEPARTMENT  OF REVENUE,  explained that  the basic credit  is                                                                   
extended to  2008, but  the carryover  period is extended  to                                                                   
2012.    Vice-Chair Stoltze  asked  if  it  is capped  at  $1                                                                   
million a  year.  Mr. Harlamert  replied that there  is not a                                                                   
cap on the credit itself.  The  entire unused credit would be                                                                   
carried over.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:27:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Stoltze asked  about  the difference  in  pop-top                                                                   
cans and  the old cans.   Mr. Berry  explained that  a normal                                                                   
can requires a  can opener.  The change was  requested by the                                                                   
processors.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kelly  asked why this date is  extended beyond                                                                   
the  previous  sunset  date.   Mr.  Berry  replied  that  the                                                                   
processors  have taken  a while  to learn  about the  credit.                                                                   
Mr. Harlamert  added that  it was a  request from  the Salmon                                                                   
Task Force.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kelly  asked about outcomes of the  bill.  Mr.                                                                   
Harlamert explained  about the investments attributed  to the                                                                   
tax credit.   Mr. Berry added that processors  have testified                                                                   
in  support of  the  tax credit  and  the advantages  it  has                                                                   
allowed them.   Representative Kelly asked if  the tax credit                                                                   
would be gone in  three years.  Mr. Berry said  it is not the                                                                   
intention of the sponsor to extend it beyond three years.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:32:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker  noted  that  he  was  a  very  strong                                                                   
supporter of  the original legislation.   It did  not include                                                                   
the idea  of new packaging  products, which is  a fundamental                                                                   
capital investment.  He noted  that this is a concern of his.                                                                   
He said he cannot support any new fiscal notes.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Stoltze MOVED to ADOPT  Conceptual Amendment 1, on                                                                   
page  2,  delete  lines  9 and  10.    Representative  Hawker                                                                   
OBJECTED.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:35:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
At ease.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:37:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Harlamert  noted  that under  current  law  new  canning                                                                   
equipment does qualify  for the credit.  This  bill precludes                                                                   
a credit for that.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer  asked if  the extension  could be reduced  to                                                                   
two years.  Mr. Berry responded  that three years would allow                                                                   
processors to do long-range planning.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:39:00 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Stoltze WITHDREW Conceptual Amendment 1.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kelly inquired  about extending  it only  one                                                                   
year.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:39:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hawker questioned  the benefit of the bill and                                                                   
said he is comfortable extending the credit for one year.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:40:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
At ease.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:41:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
STEPANIE MADSON, PACIFIC SEAFOOD  PROCESSORS, spoke about the                                                                   
pop-top  can issue  as it  relates to  the tax  credit.   She                                                                   
encouraged the Committee to leave pop-tops in the bill.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Stoltze  asked for comment about  the sunset date.                                                                   
Ms.  Madson said  one year  would  be better  than none,  but                                                                   
three years would be best.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:44:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KRIS    NOROSZ,    ICICLE    SEAFOODS,    PETERSBURG,    (via                                                                   
teleconference) referred  to a letter  of support for  SB 164                                                                   
(copy on  file.)   She discussed  one of  the projects  and a                                                                   
reason to extend the program for longer than one year.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:47:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REED STOOPS, LOBBYIST, OCEAN BEAUTY  SEAFOOD, related how the                                                                   
company uses the credit.  He noted  that 40 new seasonal jobs                                                                   
were added.  He spoke in favor of SB 164.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer  said  he  is  comfortable  with  the  3-year                                                                   
extension.  Vice-Chair Stoltze agreed.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:49:43 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hawker MOVED to  ADOPT Conceptual Amendment 2,                                                                   
which would delete  all language except that  relating to the                                                                   
salmon tax  credit extension date  of three years.   Co-Chair                                                                   
Meyer OBJECTED.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Hawker  explained   his   reasons  for   the                                                                   
amendment.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Joule asked for  clarification of  the intent                                                                   
of the bill.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:52:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Berry responded  that  the intent  is  indeed to  expand                                                                   
markets and create new ones.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:53:43 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Harlamert  clarified the intent  of the amendment.   Some                                                                   
of  the  language  is  to  clarify   existing  law  and  keep                                                                   
taxpayers out  of trouble.   Thirty percent of  credit claims                                                                   
fail because existing statute is insufficiently written.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Moses noted that  fish taxes are  shared with                                                                   
local governments.    Mr. Harlamert replied  that the  credit                                                                   
comes entirely  out of the states  share and does  not affect                                                                   
local governments.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kelly   stated  a  concern   that  Conceptual                                                                   
Amendment 2  would delete the  tightening up of  the statute,                                                                   
which is necessary.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:57:27 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hawker WITHDREW Conceptual Amendment 2.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Foster  MOVED to report CSSB 164  (FIN) out of                                                                   
Committee  with  individual  recommendations   and  with  the                                                                   
accompanying fiscal  impact note.  There being  NO OBJECTION,                                                                   
it was so ordered.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CSSB  164 (FIN)  was REPORTED  out  of Committee  with a  "no                                                                   
recommendation" recommendation  and with a zero fiscal impact                                                                   
note by the Department of Revenue.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                

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